Are the Keystone cops at it again ?


 

This was taken from the Answer Bank Forum were someone called Churchill 123, was nicked by the keystone cops for touting.

What chance have we got when the cops try to nick touts in this manner, with no grasp of the law in which they are trying to in force.

Is it any wonder that the cops turn a blind eye to the law breaking that goes on by touts ranking up outside most venues in London,operators touting with clipboards outside most venues in London, which is creating a breeding ground for sexual predators outside these venues, because the operators drivers are standing outside on the pavement waiting for jobs touted by the man in a high vis jacket outside the venue.

We know  the cops can’t Enforce the Law because of all the above is prevalent outside most venues in London.

Or IS there a bigger picture? or are they being held back by the courts? 

It now seem’s that something that was put in place (satellite offices)  to help the public get home safely, is now having the reversed effect.

54% rise in sexual assaults in London 2010.

If this post is true and we have no reason to disbelieve this post has it is a legal site, where other posters are legal reps in one way or other,  the Keystone Cops are a long way off to sorting this mess out .

The AnswerBank

I was charged with taxi touting last week. I was walking towards my car when a man pretending to be lost approached me whilst i was waiting to cross the rd towards my parked car. I asked him if he was ok as he looked lost and confused. He said he was lost as he was not from the area and that he was trying to get to his hotel in kings cross , london. I pointed out to him he was walking in the opposite direction and that he had to walk the other way to get to kings cross stn. He seemed genuinely lost. As i was going past kings x stn on my way home and it was only 500 metres away i said to him il drop him off there where he can get his bearings again and find his way from there as he claimed he would. No mention of any reward or money was made by anyone. I was going to do it as a act of kindness. I like to think if i was in a large city like london and was lost being from another area someone would direct me and help me like i was willing to do. Anyway as we walked towards my car he pulled out a warrant card and identified himself to be a policeman. He arrested me, handcuffed me, and placed me at the back seat of my car. He then prepared a statement on the roadside and asked me to sign it, which i refused. We then went to police stn and interview was conducted. In interview we contradicted each other as to who approached who. Also i asked him to confirm if i had asked for any money or did he offer any money in return for a lift. He confirmed i NEVER. He also confirmed that he DID say he was lost and was looking to get to kings cross. I was still charged with taxi touting. After interview he changed in his behaviour towards me. Pre interview he was cocky, confident and friendly. Post interview hee was seething because i asked him if money was involved in our convos. Presumably no money or reward=no touting or very difficult to prove!! Will this get thrown out of court do you think? Feedback would be grateful….thanks
Question Author
When i was arrested and waiting for transport to take me back to the police station the officer did ask me if i had been arrested for this kind of thing before i.e taxi touting…to which i replied NO. He then said in that case you will probably get a caution etc..before asking me to sign a prepared statement in the back of my car while handcuffed. I refused to do this. This happened at 3.20am! i was returning home from a gig in central london which my cousin was performing at. I only stopped to get food from Macdonald in corner of Oxford street junction with t.ct rd when this incident occurred. The Macdonald’s unknown to me was not a 24hrs one but one that closed at 3am! i was arrested at about 3.20am. Also when we went back to the station the officer who arrested me was not authorised to use LIVESCAN. The duty Sergent told him everyone who works for met police is authorised to use it and that he was going to put him on the system in due course. In the meantime he was to use a fellow officers i.d to log into the system. Another thing i should mention is that while this officer was asking me for directions there was no other police officer around, so its his version of events against mine. The one thing i managed to was get him to admit about the money and the fact he claimed to have been lost on tape which i knew would be the only thing that could determine whether i was touting or not. I do feel disappointed. I appreciate touts are a problem. Indeed since my arrest i learnt that whole area around charing x rd and Shaftesbury ave has a touting problem which if im honest ive never really noticed. After the officer turned off the interview tape he literally turned colour, huffing and puffing. I think he realised about the money, as well as the lost story he claimed was now on tape. Im surprised he still charged me literally 5/6 minutes after interview. They placed me in a cell for no more than 4/5 minutes when he came back and took me to desk sergent and charged me.
19:01 Wed 29th Sep 2010
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6 thoughts on “Are the Keystone cops at it again ?

  1. Excuse me if I feel suspicious about any car in London at the weekend offering lift to punters. In fact I fight the touts every day for over 25 years as a taxi driver. Just as a woman knows when a man is lying, I can spot the tout before he touts. Difficult to prove it in court. Lcdc wants to highlight this bloke’s plight to embarrass ‘Keystone cops’. The bloke will get his say in court.
    The fact that police makes themselves busy is a good thing.
    It would be better if they made themselves busy in the right place and nicked CBJs and a bunch of touts outside ALL the venues. Could discourage some sex predators among them.
    Lets concentrate on the bigger agenda that TfL, Police, TPH and Councils set up to promote minicabs above Taxis.
    Police have instructions not to harass CBJs so they fill their quota by nicking odd tout here and there.
    Next time there is a Bill & Badge check in ChXRd we should make an instant DEMO and demand they nick everybody parked on ChXRd rank and concentrate on touts there.

  2. I will keep you informed regarding this case as I am following it. This is the latest in the words of the defendant.

    Just to let you guys know i appeared before magistrates this morning. I pleaded NOT GUILTY and i was given a trail date for 7th december! They said the courts are very busy and that is the earliest they could slot it in. I was originally charged with 2 offences…one for touting, the other for,not having insurance. I was informed by the prosecution this morning that the charge for no insurance has been dropped. I now have a single charge of touing to answer for. I was given brief summary of prosecution documents(the reamainder detailed version will be sent to me). it only has a the police ‘witness’ statemnt and a 2 line version of the interview which basically said i disagreed with the police officers version of events. I presume this was just a brief summary for the judge if i was to plead guilty today! There is only one witness that will attend court on the 7th dec……the police officer! I cant wait to get my hands on the interview tape and transcript so i can start forming a defence statement.

  3. ” Well the only reason i can think of and is something the police officer told me off tape….that it was my word against his, and that his word had miore weight…i think they tried their luck and it backfired. The prosecution lawyer spoke to me afterwards and even said, hes glad i got off cos he was embarassed to prosecute but he had to as that was his job! Its ridiculous it even got this far! “

  4. Update from the defendant.

    “I went to court today and was found NOT GUILTY!!!!!
    17:51 Tue 07th Dec 2010

    Well the only reason i can think of and is something the police officer told me off tape….that it was my word against his, and that his word had miore weight…i think they tried their luck and it backfired. The prosecution lawyer spoke to me afterwards and even said, hes glad i got off cos he was embarassed to prosecute but he had to as that was his job! Its ridiculous it even got this far!”

  5. Why wouldn’t the LCDC publish such an outcome?

    Well done for keeping us up to date with this case, Simco.

    Could it have ever gone any other way? What a complete waste of tax payer’s money. Oh well, easy come, easy go!

    The sad thing is, they have officers out there, but they are incompetent and/or badly trained.

    I wish LTDC published my update. I am banned at bigger boy’s HQ, but LCDC?

    Here is a bit more of the man’s talk.
    “taxi touting maybe a problem, but surely to eradicate that problem the police could be doing things like actually taking a cab, gathering proper evidence, having corroborating evidence which can be presented in court, and if convicted the offender should have his licence taken away for a period of time, or his car cruched, that would probably sort it out…but to entrap people going about their business is a bit much i think. I actually think they arrest people just to get dna for their databases. I have no sympathy for taxi touts, i just think if the police arrest someone they shoud do so with clarity as to why they are doing it.”

    ….yes it did go to trial. the officer turnd up and gave evidence. I was representing myself because all the solicitors i spoke to wanted at least 600 pounds to represent me. Money which I simply did not have. I cross examined him and his story was changing like the british weather. i managed to pin him down to specific times and answers and got him to wholly contradict himself under oath. I thn went in the witness box and gave evidence. The prosecutions worst claim against me was that when i was placed under arrest i remained silent and did not protest my innocence! This made the magistrated smile and me too! I told them i could protest untill i go blue in the face it wont make any difference because i was going to the police stn so i may as well wait till i get there and make a statement on tape. That way info wont get ‘lost’ or misinterpreted. They retired to consider their verdict, came back 10 mins later and said i was a credible witness, and the prosecution version of events simply didnt add up. And the sheer fact that i didnt ask for any money or reward was also a major doubt abt this case. Therefore we find you NOT GUILTY!!!!! thats what happened in anutshell. its a load of my mind now. As for section 44 stop and search, 112,978 people were stopped under the guise of this act and do you know how many people actually were arrested or charged with an offence relating to this? the answer is NONE!!!! not one person……has ever been charged with a related offence for this act. Which means the police use this act to stop ppl for no reason other than their own curiosity…sounds like china, north korea to me…

  6. Latest update in Keystone Cops saga.
    Author
    “Thanks guys….Susan yes it did go to trial. the officer turnd up and gave evidence. I was representing myself because all the solicitors i spoke to wanted at least 600 pounds to represent me. Money which I simply did not have. I cross examined him and his story was changing like the british weather. i managed to pin him down to specific times and answers and got him to wholly contradict himself under oath. I thn went in the witness box and gave evidence. The prosecutions worst claim against me was that when i was placed under arrest i remained silent and did not protest my innocence! This made the magistrated smile and me too! I told them i could protest untill i go blue in the face it wont make any difference because i was going to the police stn so i may as well wait till i get there and make a statement on tape. That way info wont get ‘lost’ or misinterpreted. They retired to consider their verdict, came back 10 mins later and said i was a credible witness, and the prosecution version of events simply didnt add up. And the sheer fact that i didnt ask for any money or reward was also a major doubt abt this case. Therefore we find you NOT GUILTY!!!!! thats what happened in anutshell. its a load of my mind now. As for section 44 stop and search, 112,978 people were stopped under the guise of this act and do you know how many people actually were arrested or charged with an offence relating to this? the answer is NONE!!!! not one person……has ever been charged with a related offence for this act. Which means the police use this act to stop ppl for no reason other than their own curiosity…sounds like china, north korea to me…”
    11:49 Wed 08th Dec 2010

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